To doskonały przykład jednostronnej anglo-saskiej czyli germańskiej wersji dziejów. Taką historię pisze się na uniwersytetach zachodnich pod dyktando „kultury naukowej” profesorów z Cambridge czy Harvardu. Potem wychodzi z tego taki minister spraw zagranicznych Polski – Sikorski. On i podobni jemu tam właśnie wysyłają swoje dzieci, by się kształciły w tymże duchu.

W Księdze Ruty mamy tę historię ODKŁAMANĄ – wreszcie przedstawioną z punktu widzenia Scyto-Słowian.

Tłumaczę tu fragment mitu greckiego, z powyższego zapisu angielskiego o Agatyrsach, który u nas w Księdze Ruty wygląda inaczej nieco:

Sam Herodotus odróżnia Agathyrsów od Sycyliów [CB – Na Sycylii lądowali Trojanie Lechiccy po upadku Troi], ale sugeruje, że są ze sobą ściśle powiązani. [8] Napisał w pontyjsko-greckim micie, że Agathyrsi zostali tak nazwani po swoim legendarnym przodku Agathyrsus, najstarszym synu Heraklesa [CB – Perprzechwały] i potworzycy Echidna [CB – Ptakowężyca Kąptorga] [9].

„W tym momencie [Heracles] przyciągnął łuki i pokazał jej pas, a następnie podał jej zarówno łuki, jak i pas, który miał przy zapięciu złotą czarę/dzban. Wtedy, gdy jej synowie się urodzili i wyrośli, dali im imiona, nazywając jednego z nich Agathyrsos, a następnego Gelonos i najmłodszego Skythes. Ten kto miał zostać królem powinien podnieść z ziemi owe przedmioty. Zrobili zatem co zostało nakazane. I dwóch jej synów, Agathyrsos i Gelonos, nie udowodnili, że potrafią wykonać zadanie, oni więc wyjechali z ich ziemi. A że najmłodszy z nich wykonywał to zadanie pozostał w kraju, i od Skythesa, syna Heraklesa, byli przyszli królowie , a następni królowie Scytów (Skythians); oni mówią ponadto, że to z powodu tej czary/dzbana ​​Scytowie wciąż jeszcze do dziś noszą czarki/dzbany upięte przy pasie. Taka jest historia opowiedziana przez Hellenów, którzy mieszkają nad Pontusem „. [10]

Opowieść Scytów jest inna – mówi ona o Kolaksaisie, Lipoksaisie i Arpoksaisie, czyli Kołaku-Ośikołku, Lipoku i Karpoku. TO KARPOK (Karpaty) W TEJ OPOWIEŚCI JEST NAJSTARSZYM SYNEM ptakowężycy KĄPTORGI (Echidny), a Kołak zostaje królem Scytów Królewskich. Oczywiście u Greków nie trzyma się kupy ta opowieść o Perprzechwale, jako boskim ojcu Scytów. Boskie przedmioty zrzucili Bogowie z Nieba i oni zapłodnili Kąptorgę, a dary ich to było Złote Jarzmo (uprzęż końska), Złote Radło (narzędzie rolne) i Złota Czara/Dzban (czarowny napój i Dzban Zerywanów), oraz w innych wersjach – Złota Siekiera (narzędzie do karczowania lasów). A kto podniósł którykolwiek z tych przedmiotów z ziemi ten mógł zostać królem. Stąd Kołak -S-Kołota – Osi-Kołek (Aszkenaz po żydowsku) został królem Scytów, a Karpok i Lipok objęli swoje ziemie, a po śmierci Kołaka i oni królowali po kolei.

Żydzi Aszkenazyjscy to Żydzi Scytyjscy (czyli słowiańscy – Chazarscy/Khazascy/Kozaccy), uprowadzeni z Palestyny jako niewolnicy za Kaukaz, oraz w kolejnej fali oddani w niewolę Babilońską, z której wyzwolił ich Cyrus Wielki – czym zasłużył sobie na obcięcie łba przez Tomirysę.

Według Księgi Ruty za ojca Lechitów można uznać zarówno Karpoka (Agę Tyrsa) jak i Bierłę-Obwarisa-Obierłę (Berłę-Tyrsa). Gelonos-Lipok objął Gleń Budynowski czyli Gelonos-Gołuń, a Karpok ziemie w koło Karpat – nad Dunajem i za Karpatami. Kołak panował w Scytii Królewskiej H-Alańskiej, Hylajskiej – RAK-Soło-anii/Raksalania (Ziemia Roksolanów – Rossomężów – Rossomonów – Rosów/Rusów nad Rosią). Gomera zidentyfikowałem jako władcę Celtów Kumoryków (Kimmerów), którego pogonili Scytowie od Morza Czarnego, aż na Morawę, a potem część z nich dalej do Małej Azji – epizod opisałem w Księdze Ruty.

Bierło-Obwaris to Ludy Morza/Wędowie i Harat co najmniej 1650 p.n.e (W Księdze Ruty – tzw Czas Niemierzony, czyli przed rokiem 1 NK = 800 p.n.e., ale też postać osadzona przed Wojną o Taje i w jej trakcie), a Agatyrsowie to niby 800 p.n.e. (1 NK – Czas Mierzony, ale także giną w pomroce dziejów pochodząc od Ptakowężycy z Nowej Koliby odrodzeni jak i Kruki, jednak na pewno po Wojnie o Taje) – Lęchici i Harat. W jednym i drugim wypadku to Harat- Panowie-Haropanowie, Ochranowie, Awarowie, Chawarowie, Harwaci dają ciągłość pomiędzy Sokołotami a Lechią i Wędią.

Angielska Wiki o Agatyrsach:

Agathyrsi (Greek: Ἀγάθυρσοι) were a people of Scythian,[1] or mixed Dacian-Scythian origin, who in the time of Herodotus occupied the plain of the Maris (Mures), in the mountainous part of ancient Dacia now known as Transylvania, Romania. Their ruling class seems to have been of Scythian origin.[2]

Archaeology

The Scythian arrival to the Carpathian area is dated to 700 BC.[3] The Agathyrsi existence is archaeologically attested by the Ciumbrud inhumation type, in the upper Mureş area of the Transylvanian plateau. In contrast with the surrounding peoples who practiced incineration, the Ciumbrud people buried their dead. These tombs, containing Scythian artistic and armament metallurgy (e.g. acinaces), have moreover been dated to 550-450 BC — roughly the timeframe of Herodotus’ writing. Archaeologists use the term „Thraco-Agathyrsian” to designate these characteristics, owing to the evident Thracian (or, more strictly speaking, Dacian) elements. At the time of Herodotus they were already absorbed by the native Dacians.[3][4]
History
Antiquity
Fifth century BC
Herodotus world map

Herodotus, writing after 450 BC, localizes the Agathyrsi (Ἀγάθυρσοι) to Transylvania and the outer parts of Scythia, to the proximity of the Neuri.

„From the country of the Agathyrsoi comes down another river, the Maris [Mureș], which empties itself into the same; and from the heights of Haemus descend with a northern course three mighty streams, the Atlas, the Auras, and the Tibisis, and pour their waters into it.”[5]

„After the Tauric land immediately come Scythians again, occupying the parts above the Tauroi and the coasts of the Eastern sea, that is to say the parts to the West of the Kimmerian Bosphorus and of the Maiotian lake, as far as the river Tanaïs [Don], which runs into the corner of this lake. In the upper parts which tend inland Scythia is bounded (as we know) by the Agathyrsoi first, beginning from the Ister [Danube], and then by the Neuroi, afterwards by the Androphagoi, and lastly by the Melanchlainoi.”[6]

Later passages of Herodotus’ text, related to Darius’ campaign against the Scythians, again indicate that Agathyrsi dwelled next to the Neuri, i.e. even east of the Carpathians, somewhere in the western part of today’s Ukraine.[7]

Herodotus himself distinguishes the Agathyrsi from the Scythians, but he implies that they are mutually closely related.[8] He recorded a Pontic Greek myth that the Agathyrsi were named after a legendary ancestor Agathyrsus, the oldest son of Heracles and the monster Echidna.[9]

„Upon this he [Heracles] drew one of his bows (for up to that time Heracles, they say, was wont to carry two) and showed her the girdle, and then he delivered to her both the bow and the girdle, which had at the end of its clasp a golden cup; and having given them he departed. She then, when her sons had been born and had grown to be men, gave them names first, calling one of them Agathyrsos and the next Gelonos and the youngest Skythes; then bearing in mind the charge given to her, she did that which was enjoined. And two of her sons, Agathyrsos and Gelonos, not having proved themselves able to attain to the task set before them, departed from the land, being cast out by her who bore them; but Skythes the youngest of them performed the task and remained in the land: and from Skythes the son of Heracles were descended, they say, the succeeding kings of the Scythians (Skythians): and they say moreover that it is by reason of the cup that the Scythians still even to this day wear cups attached to their girdles: and this alone his mother contrived for Skythes. Such is the story told by the Hellenes who dwell about the Pontus.”[10]

Herodotus also mentions that in other respects their customs approach nearly to those of the Thracians.[11] This is to say that Agathyrsi Scythians were completely denationalized at that time.[3]

„The Agathyrsoi are the most luxurious of men and wear gold ornaments for the most part: also they have promiscuous intercourse with their women, in order that they may be brethren to one another and being all nearly related may not feel envy or malice one against another. In their other customs they have come to resemble the Thracians.”[12]

The description of the pomp and splendor of the Agathyrsi of Transylvania is most strikingly confirmed by the discoveries made at Tufalau (Romania) – though this pomp is itself really pre-Scythian (Bronze Age local nobility) in character.[13]

Agathyrsi also appear in Herodotus’ description of the expedition (516–513 BC) of Darius I of Persia (522–486 BC) against the Scythians in the N. Pontic.[14]

The Scythians meanwhile having considered with themselves that they were not able to repel the army of Dareios alone by a pitched battle, proceeded to send messengers to those who dwelt near them: and already the kings of these nations had come together and were taking counsel with one another, since so great an army was marching towards them. Now those who had come together were the kings of the Tauroi, Agathyrsoi, Neuroi, Androphagoi, Melanchlainoi, Gelonians, Budinoi and Sauromatai.[15]

Agathyrsi, Neuri, Androphagi, Melanchlaini and Tauri refused to participate in the war against Persians, claiming that „the Persians have come not against us, but against those who were the authors of the wrong”.[16]

In the second part of his campaign, Darius turned westwards and pursued two Scythian divisions at speed at a day’s distance, first through Scythian lands, then into the lands of those people who had refused alliance – Melanchlaini, Androphagi, Neuri – and finally to the border of the Agathyrsi, who stood firm and caused the Scythian divisions to return to Scythia, with Darius in pursuit.[17]

„Scythians according to the plan which they had made continued to retire before him towards the land of those who had refused to give their alliance, and first towards that of the Melanchlainoi; and when Scythians and Persians both together had invaded and disturbed these, the Scythians led the way to the country of the Androphagoi; and when these had also been disturbed, they proceeded to the land of the Neuroi; and while these too were being disturbed, the Scythians went on retiring before the enemy to the Agathyrsoi. The Agathyrsoi however, seeing that their next neighbours also were flying from the Scythians and had been disturbed, sent a herald before the Scythians invaded their land and proclaimed to the Scythians not to set foot upon their confines, warning them that if they should attempt to invade the country, they would first have to fight with them. The Agathyrsoi then having given this warning came out in arms to their borders, meaning to drive off those who were coming upon them; but the Melanchlainoi and Androphagoi and Neuroi, when the Persians and Scythians together invaded them, did not betake themselves to brave defence but forgot their former threat and fled in confusion ever further towards the North to the desert region. The Scythians however, when the Agathyrsoi had warned them off, did not attempt any more to come to these, but led the Persians from the country of the Neuroi back to their own land.”[7]

Herodotus further records the name of Spargapeithes (an Iranian name), a king of the Agathyrsi who killed the Scythian king Ariapeithes, in consequence, no doubt, of some border squabble or political rivalry in the lands lying between the Carpathians and the Tyras.[18]

„Ariapithes, the Scythian king, had several sons, among them this Scylas, who was the child, not of a native Scyth, but of a woman of Istria. Bred up by her, Scylas gained an acquaintance with the Greek language and letters. Some time afterwards, Ariapithes was treacherously slain by Spargapithes, king of the Agathyrsoi; whereupon Scylas succeeded to the throne, and married one of his father’s wives, a woman named Opoea.”[19]

Scythian artefacts originating from sites in Transylvania, in display at Aiud History Museum, Aiud, Romania.
Fourth century BC
Scythian artefacts originating from sites in Transylvania, in display at Aiud History Museum, Aiud, Romania.

Aristotle mentions their practice of solemnly reciting their laws in a kind of sing-song to prevent their being forgotten, a practice in existence in his days,[8][20] also found at Gallic Druids. They tattooed their bodies, degrees of rank being indicated by the manner in which this was done, and colored their hair dark blue. Aristotle was the last author to mention them as a real people. O. Maenchen-Helfen in his World of the Huns (2004) maintains that since then they had led a purely literary existence.[21]
Roman period
First and second century AD
Scythian artefacts originating from sites in Transylvania, in display at Aiud History Museum, Aiud, Romania.

The Roman geographer Pomponius Mela (2,i) and the historian Pliny the Elder, writing in the first century AD, also list the Agathyrsi among the steppe tribes. Pliny alludes to their „blue hair.”[22]

„Leaving Taphrae [a town near Crimea], and going along the mainland, we find in the interior the Auchetae, in whose country the Hypanis [the Bug river] has its rise, as also the Neuroe, in whose district the Borysthenes [the Dnieper river] has its source, the Geloni, the Thyssagetae, the Budini, the Basilidae, and the Agathyrsi with their azure-coloured hair. Above them are the Nomades, and then a nation of Anthropophagi or cannibals. On leaving Lake Buges [a gulf at the end of the Sea of Azov], above the Lake Mæotis we come to the Sauromatæ and the Essedones”.[23]

This reference indicates that during the 1st century AD, the Agathyrsi lived somewhere in the western part of today’s Ukraine. The 2nd century geographer Claudius Ptolemy lists the Agathyrsi among the tribes in 'European Sarmatia’, between the Vistula and the Black Sea.[24]
Fourth century AD

In the 380s AD, the Agathyrsi are still mentioned by Ammianus Marcellinus in his Res Gestae Ch. 22.

„Near to this is the sea of Azov, of great extent, from the abundant sources of which a great body of water pours through the straits of Patares, near the Black Sea; on the right are the islands Phanagorus and Hermonassa, which have been settled by the industry of the Greeks. Round the furthest extremity of this gulf dwell many tribes differing from one another in language and habits; the Jaxamatae, the Maeotae, the Jazyges, the Roxolani, the Alani, the Melanchlaenae, the Geloni, and the Agathyrsi, whose land abounds in adamant.”[25]

„The Danube, which is greatly increased by other rivers falling into it, passes through the territory of the Sauromatae, which extends as far as the river Don, the boundary between Asia and Europe. On the other side of this river the Alani inhabit the enormous deserts of Scythia, deriving their own name from the mountains around; and they, like the Persians, having gradually subdued all the bordering nations by repeated victories, have united them to themselves, and comprehended them under their own name. Of these other tribes the Neuri inhabit the inland districts, being near the highest mountain chains, which are both precipitous and covered with the everlasting frost of the north. Next to them are the Budini and the Geloni, a race of exceeding ferocity, who flay the enemies they have slain in battle, and make of their skins clothes for themselves and trappings for their horses. Next to the Geloni are the Agathyrsi, who dye both their bodies and their hair of a blue colour, the lower classes using spots few in number and small—the nobles broad spots, close and thick, and of a deeper hue.”[26]

Servius on Aeneid 4.v.146 relates that probably closer to 300 AD the Agathyrsi sent across a contingent over the sea to Scotland, where it became identified with the Picts, formidable warriors who seriously fatigued all who stood against them.[27] The sixteenth century British chronicler Raphael Holinshed also mentioned the Agathyrsi origin of the Picts, and their tradition of painting their bodies blue.
Legacy

The gloss preserved by Stephen of Byzantium explains that the Greeks called the Trausi the Agathyrsi and we know that the Trausi lived in the Rhodope Mountains.[28]

In the 19th century, Niebuhr regards the Agathyrsi of Herodotus, or at least the people who occupied the position assigned to them by Herodotus, as the same people as the Getae or Dacians (North Thracians).[8]
Acatziri
Main article: Acatziri

An old theory of 19th century writers (Latham, V. St. Martin, Rambaud, Newman) which, according to the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, is based on 'less convincing proof’, suggested an identification of the Agathyrsi with the later Agatziri or Akatziroi first mentioned by Priscus in Vol XI, 823, Byzantine History, who described them leading a nomadic life on the Lower Volga, and reported them as having been Hunnic subjects before the time of Attila. This older theory is not mentioned at all by modern scholars Helfen or Golden. According to E.A. Thompson, the conjecture that connects the Agathyrsi with Akatziri should be rejected outright.[29]

The Acatziri were a main force of the Attila’s army in 448. Attila appointed Karadach or Curidachus as the Akatzirs’ chieftain. (Thompson, p. 107).

Jordanes, who quotes Priscus in Getica, located the Acatziri to the south of the Aesti (Balts) — roughly the same region as the Agathyrsi of Transylvania — and he described them as „a very brave tribe ignorant of agriculture, who subsist on their flocks and by hunting.”[30]

The Encyclopædia Britannica 1897 and 1911 editions consider the Acatziri to be precursors of the Khazars of later antiquity,[31] although modern scholars like Professor Peter Golden, E.A. Thompson and Maenchen-Helfen consider this theory to be nothing more than conjecture[32] and Thompson has rejected it outright.[29] There does not seem to be any modern reputable scholar that holds such a theory as factual though no reasons have been given.

Gomera zidentyfikowałem jako władcę Celtów Kumoryków (Kimmerów), którego pogonili Scytowie od Morza Czarnego, aż na Morawę, a potem część z nich dalej do Małej Azji – epizod opisałem w Księdze Ruty.

76 rok czasu NK , Stara Mazonia, Czarne Góry Kauków i Mała Mazja:
Sposób na wrogów obmyślony przez kagana Kołaka
– rozbicie Kiełtów Gomera, a potem Ibora i Marchomira – Księga Ruty str 431 i dalsze

Tu także o Kolaksaisie pierwszym królu Scytów z Matki Ptakowężycy Kołaku-Ośkłodzie czyli Aszkenazie, z czego wynika, że to on musiałby być biblijnym Magogiem (Magiem Gogołady). Oprócz tego mamy Karpoka-Karpoksais – Karpok.

Agatyrsi to po prostu plemię władcy Agi Tyrsa – o którym też jest mowa u Długosza i w tym artykule jako Tyrs lub Torias, a w ogóle na RudaWeb jako przodkowie Lęchitów – Agatyrsi. Miasto-obwar Tyrs Budynowski nad Morzem Czarnym zbudował Obierło-Obwaris-Awaris: Tyrs Bierły. Więc Aga Tyrs to Bierło (Berło-Obwaris-Tyrs). Tyrs nad Morzem Czarnym jest jednym z miejsc podania o Lędzie-Łabędzie (Lęchitce – Pani Białego Lądu) – stamtąd pochodziła. Jest to w opowieści o Uprowadzeniu Łabędy-Europy (Białej Lędy) i na mojej mapie w Księdze Ruty ów prawdziwy Tyrs mitu greckiego jest umiejscowiony. To nie jest domniemany przez „archeologów” i „mitologistów-religioznawców” (Graves) Tyr Małoazjatycki – Fenicjan-Wenicjan. O Łabędzie Lędzie w wielu miejscach Księgi Ruty np str 44, główne podanie str 71 i dalsze.

Madej był władcą Scytów;
147 rok czasu NK , Media, Ozeria i Judawa:
Wyprawa Madeja do kraju Miodewów (Medów) – Księga Ruty str 436 i dalsze

P.s.
To dosyć ciekawe.
Hg R1b, która ponoć do Europy weszła Północą, ma w swym języku naleciałości semickie. Zaś hg R1a, która ponoć powstała, gdzieś w Iranie, tam jakiś czas przebywała, a następnie weszła na Bałkany przez Anatolię i Bosfor, w swoim języku naleciałości semickich nie ma. A powinna mieć, bo podobno żyli z Semitami?
Ci Semici chyba śmigłowcami latali na Północ i uczyli Celtów swojej paplaniny?
Ciekawe, skąd ta hg R1a wzięła szczepki jabłoni, jeżeli nigdy nie byli w Ałtaju, a tam jest ojczyzna jabłoni? Podobnie jest z wiśnią i czereśnią, których ojczyzną jest Azja Wschodnia. Skąd hg R1a wzięła sadzonki konopi siewnej – przemysłowej, której ojczyzną jest południowa Syberia? Tak można mnożyć.
Zapewne ci Celtowie hg R1b przysłali z Północy to wszystko dla hg R1a na Południu, paczką poleconą, aby jej Semici po drodze nie zwinęli?
Może do tych wypocin bez podanych źródeł, przydała by się szczypta logiki?
Zapewne to Noe wynalazł koło, bo było ono potrzebne w jego Tytaniku, jako koło sterowe? A może to jednak dzieło Jahwe?